👁️ The Psycho and the Showman: Sam Bankman-Fried and SafeMoon's John Karony
John Karony is likeable, greedy, and none too bright. In other words - He is Us.
Hello Dark Markets subscribers, and welcome to a slightly oddly-timed edition, offering some thoughts about the contrasts between SafeMoon CEO John Karony and Sam Bankman-Fried, two very different kinds of fraudsters.
I am very close to finalizing edits of Stealing the Future, my forthcoming book on FTX and Sam Bankman-Fried: it’s frankly surreal to be so close to truly *finishing* this thing. I’ve now been immersed for two years in a story that just gets more grim, serious, and complex the more you look at it - and I’m ready to be done with it.
Luckily, I’ve had a palate cleanser. Because I need to eat am a workaholic, I’ve been covering the criminal trial of John Karony, former CEO of SafeMoon. You can find all of my updates for Protos here, and there will be a wrap-up feature soon.
The SafeMoon story is far funnier, weirder, and frankly, lighter than the FTX story. I’m already starting to think it would make a fun book. Read on for some of my first thoughts on why.
I was very happy to act as a kind of trial surrogate for Coffeezilla, the YouTube investigator who almost singlehandedly blew the case open. Coffee kindly invited me on to discuss what I saw:
I’ve genuinely fallen in love with trial reporting - the liveness of it, the richness of what I can write from it. My encounter with John Karony was a sterling example. I also started doing video updates on the Dark Markets YouTube Channel (please take a moment to subscribe!).
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John Karony: All-American Fraudster
I’m going to say something that a lot of you won’t want to hear: I kind of like John Karony.
Part of that is secondhand. I’ve been listening to Safely to the Moon, a podcast that a few former SafeMoon employees put out last year, and it’s striking how many people really liked Karony. Many accounts of him being a friendly, nice, supportive guy, interpersonally. (I recommend the podcast, it’s full of insights.)
But I don’t mean I like John Karony in the sense that I would want to sit and have a beer with him - crimes aside, he just doesn’t seem like my kind of Guy at all. And he pretty clearly made some extremely, explicitly fraudulent decisions. But as I learned about his story and his life over the course of the trial, I found Karony surprisingly relatable.
That’s an interesting inversion of my experience of covering Sam Bankman-Fried. The more I learned about Sam, the less I liked him. After nearly two years immersed in his story, SBF simply makes my skin crawl.
That could still happen with Karony. I’m considering digging deeper into his story, and I might not like what I find.
But Karony already gave me a pretty good excuse to be creeped out by him. A couple of times during the trial, Karony tried to get a little chummy with me, and with another reporter covering the trial. (I discussed this a bit in my video updates, and will go into more depth in a forthcoming feature for Protos.)
It was frankly bizarre - a defendant trying to butter up the press in the courtroom is just a wild move. But even as weird as this reflexive charm offensive was in substance, I can’t say he gave me bad vibes.
This obviously contrasts a lot with Sam Bankman-Fried, whose colleagues pretty consistently described him as a bully, and whose affect was generally some variation of self-absorbed superiority.
Those surface vibes. though, reflect much more substantive differences between Karony and SBF.
The Schemer and the Bumbler
It’s true that Bankman-Fried’s crimes were much more severe: he stole $11 billion dollars, compared to a total of $200 million stolen from SafeMoon investors, of which Karony could only be credibly held responsible for a portion. But scale isn’t really my point here, either.
The key differences between SBF and John Karony are, instead:
SBF created FTX and planned the scheme; Karony joined SafeMoon in progress.
SBF’s use of customer crypto was unambiguously theft. Who ‘owned’ the liquidity pool funds at the heart of the SafeMoon scandal was genuinely much less clear.
SBF had top-tier experience in finance and crypto; Karony, before joining SafeMoon, knew little or nothing about either.
FTX was convincingly sold as a real company. SafeMoon’s scammy nature was obvious from the name down.
SBF had immense privilege; Karony still had a lot - but far less.
SBF actually had the skills and connections to build a real, global-scale company. Karony pretty clearly did not.
SBF’s crimes were driven by indoctrination in a very strange ethical worldview. Karony’s crimes were driven by far more relatably human flaws.
Sam Bankman-Fried wanted to subvert the democratic processes of the United States. John Karony just wanted a Lambo.
At the highest level, I think John Karony was the wrong guy, in the wrong place, at the wrong time. He was suddenly tasked with leading a project whose explosive growth was already premised on fraudulent claims: As detailed at trial, SafeMoon developer Kyle Nagy had already taken funds from the SafeMoon liquidity pool before John Karony even heard of SafeMoon.
I’ll admit I’m generalizing to Karony a bit from the testimony we heard from Thomas “Papa” Smith, the former SafeMoon CTO who was charged with Karony, pled guilty, then testified against the former CTO. The story Smith told was that basically everyone fell into the SafeMoon situation unexpectedly.
I’m still pretty hazy on how SafeMoon became such a huge deal so fast - within just a couple of weeks of launching. There does seem to have been some early wash trading, but I don’t have a timeline for that yet. The former staffers on Safely to the Moon podcast think that the name alone did a lot of the work.
But whatever the reason, as Smith testified, SafeMoon was already on an explosive trajectory when Nagy called Smith for help, and Smith in turn brought in Karony. Throughout the trial, we saw messages between Smith and Karony, neither seemingly able to believe their good luck - and they 100% understood it to be luck. They had stumbled into something that neither of them really understood, but they were ready to ride the dragon to, in Smith’s favorite phrase, “castle money.”
Smith’s testimony also conveyed that, before SafeMoon, the group was barely scraping by. In early 2021, Smith was working for Karony at a company called Tano, which was trying to build games. But this may have been little more than a LARP: Smith testified that his tiny salary at Tano - less than $3,000 a month - was paid from Karony’s credit card.
Smith came across in his testimony as truly contrite and humbled by his experience. He talked about how he saw his own morals being subverted by getting entangled in the SafeMoon fraud. He seems to have come from a much more humble background than even Karony, to say nothing of Bankman-Fried, and the money that came with SafeMoon was life-changing in a way that seems to have genuinely overwhelmed Smith’s better sense.
Obviously, Smith is not Karony - for one thing, unlike Karony, Smith seems like a guy I would enjoy having a beer with. But it all speaks to the far more human nature of the SafeMoon story. Of course, Caroline Ellison also testified to regret over her role in the FTX frauds, but she both a) had many, many other options open to her, as a high-achieving Stanford graduate, and b) Caroline Ellison is a scientific racist.
So, frankly, fuck her.
There is of course one aspect of the Karony case that echoes strangely with SBF’s: In both instances, parents with some weird connections got way too involved. Brandon and Jennifer Karony are very tied to U.S. intelligence - Brandon as a former agent, and Jennifer in some more ambiguous and frankly ominous capacity as head of The Barajally Group. I have no illusions that they, or anyone involved here, are “good” people - I don’t think you join the C.I.A. if you have a genuine moral compass.
But I still find Brandon and Jennifer far, far less sinister than, in particular, Barbara Fried, who devoted her entire career to advancing a utilitarian ideology that I am increasingly convinced is not simply misguided, but a pillar of the broader rise of Silicon Valley Fascism.
I’ve had enough of grappling with that incredible darkness, at least for now. I know it’s a perverse thing to say, but by comparison, SafeMoon is almost comforting. Americans have been ripping each other off with harebrained schemes for centuries.
John Karony’s P.T. Barnum-esque fraud is as much of an American tradition as Mom, baseball, and apple pie.
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This obviously contrasts a lot with Sam Bankman-Fried, whose colleagues pretty consistently described him as a bully, and whose affect was generally some variation of self-absorbed superiority.
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This makes sense because while some people are trying to reinvent morals, they've been pretty understood for quite a few millennia, and likely more.
Not necessarily because they came down from high (literally and figuratively). But because they are just reflective of our untainted marshmallow grabbing toddler selves of justice and fairness. It's very likely in our DNA.
Don't steal. Don't lie. Don't be a jerk. SBF got three out of three for DZM. Karony got two out of three for DZM. And, more importantly, among other people close to SBF/Karony. If SBF was called a bully by people who used to call him friends, then that says a lot.
Now it could just be the drugs. I bet Karony wasn't on the stimulants that prominent EAs are on (and prominent Nazis were on). And if you remember your Behind-the-Music documentaries, a lot of musicians we now would think of as pretty decent were pretty terrible during the essential “hard core drugs before the downfall” part of the story. Forget what DARE taught you kids: Soft drugs give you munchies, hard drugs make you Nazis.
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Who ‘owned’ the liquidity pool funds at the heart of the SafeMoon scandal was genuinely much less clear.
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Not your keys, not your crypto. It's not just cexes vs personal wallets where that matters. If you have a token with an admin upgrade function, it can be used to create a function to take the token right out of your wallet, or any wallet. Sometimes it's that . If the code is obscured, there is just no telling. If it has certain functions to other contracts, and those contracts have an admin upgrade function, then it's the same thing with extra steps.
Let's say it's a function that sends to a special kind of liquidity pool and that liquidity pool has admin override capabilities. Imagine a vending machine with a refund function and a fluctuating price for the items due to market conditions. Sure the general public can do some stuff. Maybe you can put a washer in there and steal an item or two. Maybe with a lot of money you can manipulate the price a bit. But the guy with the key that can empty the items and coin catcher, that's who really has control.
And the one who uses that key to surreptitiously do so is the primary thief. For all I know that's just the guy who scampered off to Russia, and Karony was too tech illiterate to empty the liquidity pool himself. But that still doesn't say who “owns” it.
Ownership could be a philosophical thing. Can anyone “own” anything? Or it can be a pragmatic thing. The vending machine exists in physical space belonging to a country with laws. If the vending machine is not legitimate, then someone will be held accountable, such as the owner of the space. More likely than not, the vending machine will have branding, and if that is wrong, those misusing the branding will be in trouble. There is a big difference between a coke machine on a university campus, and a metal box that just says “magickal vendin masheen” in the middle of the woods. Very different expectations. So what are the expectations of crypto? Well, now it all depends on how people knew to go to the woods, what they were told would happen there, and by what means.
In the case of a typical vending machine, the kind we all typically see, should the CEO of Vending Machine Co be in trouble if he orders the vending machine maintenance guy (who also built it) to surreptitiously empty it and put it directly into his pocket and not in company funds/inventory? Of course. What about what anyone does to a sketchy box in the middle of nowhere, with no real markings, and whose existence was told to no one? Well that's not what's happening here. This is kind of in the middle, involving a lot of semi-legitimate branding, companies, assets, and messaging platforms. At the very least there's a lot more being said about this vending machine by those who control it that were meant to materially benefit the controllers over the users, and that which was said were known lies. And I love that simplicity when it comes to fraud. You lie and materially gain at the expense of others = fraud.
Does it answer who “owns?” Maybe not, but that's how I look at the roles here. SafeMoon was largely controlled by that vending machine and the ones with admin keys. Any amount being sold in other liquidity pools and cexes meant little more than the FTT being traded at places other than FTX.
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FTX was convincingly sold as a real company. SafeMoon’s scammy nature was obvious from the name down.
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Not so obvious. FTX looked professional. SafeMoon looked unknown. A lot of tokens/projects start as larks that really don't help the creator that much. Some guy thought it would be funny to fork LiteCoin and associate it with a meme dog. Originally it sounds like it was all memes and fun. That guy is not rich because of it. Now, of course, I wouldn't trust who I think is the current, biggest bag holder (and pumper/dumper) of that pupper. SafeMoon was just an unknown while it was most popular.
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I’m still pretty hazy on how SafeMoon became such a huge deal so fast - within just a couple of weeks of launching.
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Reddit. Social media. This was before bots were /this/ bad. That dog-themed token was still, apparently, just good clean fun. This was back when most crypto was still ICO, and most ICOs were starting to smell bad. This was something exciting and non-ICO because it at least did something. Not saying I thought it couldn't easily be a scam, I think when I first heard of it that it was probably a scam, but it didn't come in on the regular, definitely-a-scam rails of the time. It was on the quite-possibly-a-scam-but-it’s-got-surprising-legs rail. A fervent following (back then) didn't mean you bought everyone to cosplay a cult or brainwashed them into a real cult. Before SafeMoon Army there was ChainLink Army. Boring a**, pretty-legit ChainLink had a fervent following. So that wasn't itself a red flag (then). I think SafeMoon was just an unknown.
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Ellison also claimed that Bankman-Fried swapped his luxury car for a less flashy one to maintain a certain image.
"He said he thought it was better for his image to be driving a Toyota Corolla," she said.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/caroline-ellison-alameda-ftx-sbf-controversial-online-quotes-2022-11
So this quote from the site DZM linked to is not how DZM has ever phrased the Corolla. He never said that Ellison testified SBF swapped out a luxury car for a Corolla for his image. This is really how it needs to be presented. DZM doesn't mention a) the swap and b) Ellison testifying that SBF gave this reason. I suggest the first place the Corolla is mentioned in the book, it is phrased this far more powerful way.
Also, I thought the Business Insider article was going to be some questionable social media posts under the influence of drugs. Those were definitely on another level.
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if you have a genuine moral compass.
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Wow.